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VQ35DE swap into 1995 240sx

Last post 09-25-2009, 12:56 AM by maxskit20. 102 replies.
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  •  10-20-2006, 8:40 AM 1013 in reply to 561

    Re: VQ35DE swap into 1995 240sx

    Fred, I just wanted to complement you on your skills. I was all set on an SR20 swap, and then I discovered Broaner, and then this site. Totally blew me away. Awesome project. Let us know how those PS lines go!

    Oh, and on your twin-turbo setup, why do the pipes come together and then split into two? Wouldn't you want to keep them separate for the exhaust pulses? Or am I looking at it wrong?

    S13 Fastback...putting the chassis together.

    Suspension before power!
  •  10-20-2006, 10:56 AM 1018 in reply to 1013

    Re: VQ35DE swap into 1995 240sx

    PoorMans180SX:
    Fred, I just wanted to complement you on your skills. I was all set on an SR20 swap, and then I discovered Broaner, and then this site. Totally blew me away. Awesome project. Let us know how those PS lines go!

    Oh, and on your twin-turbo setup, why do the pipes come together and then split into two? Wouldn't you want to keep them separate for the exhaust pulses? Or am I looking at it wrong?

     

    Thanks, I appreciate the compliments!

    I'm not set on any turbo setup yet, it will be a while before I'm ready for that project, the PS lines however are coming in the next few weeks as I get time. 

     

    Fred


    Instrument Cluster and Speedometer Repair
  •  11-11-2006, 5:27 PM 1176 in reply to 1018

    Re: VQ35DE swap into 1995 240sx

    Hello all,

       Well it's been a while since I've updated my project thread or had anything worth updating really.  As some of you have suspected I'm switching from the MegaSquirt II ECU to an OEM Maxima ECU (Sorry H.Kurt!).  I'll be using a computer, IMMU module and key from a 2002 model - all from the exact same car so hopefully the security system will let the car start up.  I got up early today and began the process, everything has gone very smoothly so far, no hitches in the plan yet.  I'm out of time for today but all I need is about 2 or 3 more hours and I'll be ready to crank it over.  I was pleased to find out that the 350z accel. pedal bolts right in in place of the stock one:

    That really takes a lot of the work out right there.   Also I've found that the stock 02 Maxima engine harness is the perfect length as is, not shortening or lengthening needed to reach the passenger side floor board where the new ECU will be mounted.  There's about 10 wire connections needed to integrate it into the 240sx's dash harness, not too bad and that includes temp guage, MIL light, cooling fan and OBDII plug so some of that could be left out but I wanted it all connected up like stock.  Actually there's a lot of connections, splices and wire rearrangements needed to keep it clean and neat but that's normal.

    I'll update again when it runs and let you all know how it feels with functioning VTC's! 

     

    P.S.  I'll be keeping the MS and all of it's related hardware, I haven't seen the last of the MS on this car!

     

    Fred


    Instrument Cluster and Speedometer Repair
  •  11-16-2006, 7:56 PM 1214 in reply to 1176

    Re: VQ35DE swap into 1995 240sx

    Super Angry [8o|]

    "I hope it's all fizzy!"

    I shall not rest until megasquirt lives again *fist*

    Kurt


    Argh... guess I'll stick w/ the plan...
  •  11-16-2006, 8:51 PM 1215 in reply to 1214

    Re: VQ35DE swap into 1995 240sx

    :)  I can't figure out what took you so loooong to reply!  

    If it makes you feel better (it did me) once I pulled my bare MS harness Saturday I took considerable time to wrap it nicely with my new 3M Temflex fabric electrical tape and took care to make the process reversable for if /when the time comes.

     

    Fred


    Instrument Cluster and Speedometer Repair
  •  11-16-2006, 9:31 PM 1216 in reply to 1215

    Re: VQ35DE swap into 1995 240sx

    My email subscriptions were disabled for some reason and time hasn't permitted me to resubscribe to the appropriate ones.

    I'm actually surfing ms forums right now to finalize a few things before I place my order on DIYAutotune...

    Megasquirt or death! (I'll take AEM/ Motec if somebody else is paying tho :D).

    (I wonder if all this advertising merits a discount?... jk)

    Kurt


    Argh... guess I'll stick w/ the plan...
  •  11-20-2006, 11:28 PM 1235 in reply to 1216

    Re: VQ35DE swap into 1995 240sx

    hi im new to the site and i wanna say that is amazing that you customized that to fit im thinking of following your example i wanna  VQ35DE and drop it into a 93 hatchback 240 sx what do you thing 10 thousand $ dollar budget is it possible? i live in ca and could i get it street legal ?
  •  11-28-2006, 9:43 AM 1286 in reply to 1235

    Re: VQ35DE swap into 1995 240sx

    hey a 240sx=sti killer:
    hi im new to the site and i wanna say that is amazing that you customized that to fit im thinking of following your example i wanna  VQ35DE and drop it into a 93 hatchback 240 sx what do you thing 10 thousand $ dollar budget is it possible? i live in ca and could i get it street legal ?

     

    Yup, I'd say 10K would do it (please note the sarcasm)!  I think 10k is way more then needed but that depends on a lot of things I suppose.  I don't know about CA laws so I can't help much there.

     

    Fred

     

     


    Instrument Cluster and Speedometer Repair
  •  11-28-2006, 9:49 AM 1287 in reply to 1286

    Re: VQ35DE swap into 1995 240sx

    Update:  The 02 ECU is all wired to the best of my abilities so far.  I have an appointment at 1:00 with the local Nissan dealership to have my key reprogrammed to the ECU.  Apparently I have a NATS malfunction which basically means the ECU doesn't recognize the key.  The leading theory is that the ECU has been out of the donor Maxima for too long and has "forgotten" it's memory so it has to be reprogrammed.  I kinda doubt that but we'll see later today.  It's also very possible that I just have a wiring problem, maybe have my NATS signal wires crossed or something.

     

    Hopefully though it will work and I'll have this rig back on the road again for a full review of a stock ECU and functioning VTC's very soon!  Then it's time to tidy up the wiring and start tackling the other smaller issues that I've been putting off like finalizing my rad pipes, installing the PS system and getting custom lines made, fixing my bent motor mount, figuring out what I'm going to do about my hood clearance problem, etc.

     

    Fred


    Instrument Cluster and Speedometer Repair
  •  11-28-2006, 10:08 AM 1288 in reply to 1287

    Re: VQ35DE swap into 1995 240sx

    I could buy that. If it uses some volatile ram with a batter backup, like the BIOS settings in a typical PC, then:

    -When there is power there is no issue, the settings are retained
    -When you lose power for some time, the settings are retained by a (relatively) small battery about the diameter of a quarter with part numebr CR2032. That way if you remove your car battery you can still start the car 5 minutes later after replacing it (it remembers your keys id).
    -When you lose power for a long time (such as an ECU that was sold off the shelf of a salvage yard and has been unplugged for God knows how long) then the battery is discharged and you lose all your settings.

    Now if it uses some kind of NVRAM or SRAM, that doesn't require pulses of current to maintain the memory state then the guy is full of it. I hope for your sake that its something simple like this and it does just in fact need to be reprogrammed again.

    I bet there is an in-car secret programming method they're not gonna tell you which associates the key with the ECU... something cryptic like put the ignition in ACC mode and then leave the trunk lid open for 1 minute and turn the left blinker on and then pull the key in an out 100 times or something weird like that. I remember programming my friend's maxima keyless entry was like this. However, in your case it sounds like you have the parts uninstalled from the car so none of that would be possible, so they will clearly hook it up to some computer and reset it.

    In any event, good luck.


    Fred Allen Burge:

    Update:  The 02 ECU is all wired to the best of my abilities so far.  I have an appointment at 1:00 with the local Nissan dealership to have my key reprogrammed to the ECU.  Apparently I have a NATS malfunction which basically means the ECU doesn't recognize the key.  The leading theory is that the ECU has been out of the donor Maxima for too long and has "forgotten" it's memory so it has to be reprogrammed.  I kinda doubt that but we'll see later today.

     

    Hopefully though it will work and I'll have this rig back on the road again for a full review of a stock ECU and functioning VTC's very soon!  Then it's time to tidy up the wiring and start tackling the other smaller issues that I've been putting off like finalizing my rad pipes, installing the PS system and getting custom lines made, fixing my bent motor mount, figuring out what I'm going to do about my hood clearance problem, etc.

     

    Fred

  •  11-28-2006, 11:44 AM 1289 in reply to 1288

    Re: VQ35DE swap into 1995 240sx

    That makes sense, I'd be suprised though if it is volatile memory for something like this that is so critical to the car even starting up but who knows. 

     

    I know Nissan has lots of secret little tricks like that but I think this one is only doable with their Consult computer because of car theft issues.  They wouldn't want anyone knowing how to program any old Maxima key to a car they stole and driving off in it!

     

    Fred


    Instrument Cluster and Speedometer Repair
  •  11-28-2006, 2:21 PM 1290 in reply to 1289

    Re: VQ35DE swap into 1995 240sx

    Well. Crap.

     

    That was a total failure.  The Consult II computer wasn't able to communicate with my ECU so we didn't get anywhere. Something is messed up.

    Next I'll try what I should have tried first.  I'll try connecting up a GST (generic scan tool), if I can somehow get that to communicate with my ECU then I'll be good to go for the Consult II again.

    The tech at Nissan said that the key itself needed to be in contact with the key cylinder for the security system to allow the car to start but I don't really believe that honestly.  Anybody have any experience with this??

    Fred


    Instrument Cluster and Speedometer Repair
  •  11-28-2006, 2:29 PM 1291 in reply to 1290

    Re: VQ35DE swap into 1995 240sx

    Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]

    Is this where I chime in as the little MegaSquirt devil on your shoulder?...

    Kurt


    Argh... guess I'll stick w/ the plan...
  •  11-28-2006, 3:11 PM 1292 in reply to 1291

    Re: VQ35DE swap into 1995 240sx

    bettonracing:

    Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]

    Is this where I chime in as the little MegaSquirt devil on your shoulder?...

    Kurt

     

    Believe me the thought's already crossed my mind!  But, I can't give up yet, I have a bad habit of that.  I just need to stick it out until it runs.

     

    Fred


    Instrument Cluster and Speedometer Repair
  •  12-19-2006, 9:47 PM 1451 in reply to 1292

    Re: VQ35DE swap into 1995 240sx

    Ok, finally some good news to report! 

     Thanks to some serious generosity and general uncommon helpfulness of a certain Mark B I think I'm back on track to a running car.  Mark works at a Nissan dealership and was kind enough to take my ECU and custom test harness and examine them with Nissan's proprietary Consult II computer (man I wish I had one of those things!). 

     Bottom line he diagnosed my problem, registered my key to my ECU and made a very helpful wiring diagram showing me how to fix my problem.  Apparently I had damaged my ECU somehow and actually malfunctioned the SSOFF circuit inside the ECU so the ECU wouldn't turn on my main ECU relay when the key went on.  Crazy.

    So, when UPS brings it back I'll fix my wiring, install the ECU and see what happens!

     

    Thanks Mark!

     

    p.s. see here for details of Marks VQ35 into S13 project and he's got a VQ35 into S14 up and coming:

    http://forums2.freshalloy.com/showthread.php?t=159268

     

     

    Fred


    Instrument Cluster and Speedometer Repair
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